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Offline mackimm

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Vodka vaping health hazards
« on: February 25, 2012, 10:38:12 AM »
Hi all,

I just got some pure VG and am planning to dilute it at a 15:85 ratio. I like the throat hit and usually I mix 60/40 PG/AG with 8mg/ml Nicotine. I tried to reduce my nicotine intake but that diminished the throat hit considerably and so I cannot go with less than 8mg nicotine even though I wish to go 0mg Nicotine. I've also tried reducing the nicotine and use Menthol flavour in order to preserve the throat hit but to no avail.

So I've read on this forum that my diluting your VG with Vodka instead of distilled water you'd increase the throat hit, and I was hoping that this method would help me to get rid of or at least decrease my nicotine intake while retaining the throat hit. However I've also heard that the vodka would dissolve the plastic in the plastic bottles the e-liquid is stored in and thus causes a health hazard. What is your take on the use of vodka in your e-liquid juice? Does it really constitute a health hazard or am I just over-worrying?

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 10:45:21 AM »
I too like TH and have been using vodka in my mixes (small %).    Can you tell me where you heard about vodka dissolving the plastic?   Here in the US, vodka is sometimes sold in plastic bottles.

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2012, 10:59:07 AM »
I don't really remember but it was a forum member that said that the alcohol in the vodka might get the plastic to leach into the e-juice.

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2012, 11:06:41 AM »
Interesting -- a guess we gotta wait for one of the "expert" members to come along and answer this!   ::)

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2012, 11:12:48 AM »
Found it:

http://forum.totallywicked-eliquid.com/recipes/vodka-12397/msg164080/#msg164080

It was Darth Vaper:

"Hey all just stepping in to say please be careful messing around with alcohols in vapes.

There is a risk with it when combined with some of the plastics and fillers used in atomizers/carts/drip tips. The alcohol will break down some polymers and leach them into your vape. In one instance I had my mix literally destroy my syringes body as it reacted with the plastic in it. It put a big gapping hole in the bottom of it as it cracked apart.

I do firmly believe there is a risk for creating a toxic condition so with that said please proceed with caution and do so at your own risk.

Unless you know the exact grade of plastics in your hardware and there reactivity to solvents I would not attempt this.


Sorry for being a party pooper "

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2012, 11:18:34 AM »
My take on it is that if you're using 15% vodka to dilute your VG then even with an 'all VG' mix with 15% flavour added  and no nic base you will only have about 5% alcohol in your juice mix. My PI mixes are only about a sixth VG as I mix to 36mg and so less than 1% alcohol in the final mix, which is a very small amount, far below what I would think is any reactive level, so it's a risk I'm willing to take, and have done for a couple of years now, and have not seen any sign of degradation of my bottles or tasted any taints. As with anything else in life, it's a decision we all have to make for ourselves.

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2012, 03:04:50 AM »

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2012, 07:31:02 AM »
Ken, did you want to add something here?    :)

Maybe the forum is having technical difficulties again?

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2012, 07:50:09 AM »
I Agree with Kenneth... :) Lol..

These Plastic manufacturers have enough Polymer combinations to make an infinite array of different plastic compounds.
 When they break plastics down, I believe that they use Solvents (Which I think Alcohol falls into that catergory) but they use different solvents for different plastics in order to find the ones that react? 

So I would think without knowing from the manufacturers of our Tanks/carts, exactly what they use.. it would be very hard to say for sure whether alcohol would be an issue?  :-\ I think that's right anyway but I'm hardly an expert, I should really look it up at some point!   ::) Though Darth did say that he HAD spotted clear reactions taking place, so I think that alone would be enough for me to give the whole Vodka thing a miss!  ???

Still.as far as Leaching Carcinogens go.. I'm with Stevie.. 'You pays your money and you takes your Choc ice' (as we say over here) there's probably as many in your slightly over done peice of Toast too!?  :o 

I'm just glad it's one thing I don't have to worry about! ;)


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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2012, 12:37:05 PM »
I was trying to contribute, forum must still be having issues indeed.

Anyway what I was saying and this may make me a little unpopular however I have always had reservations about using alcohol in your mixes for a few reasons.

However when surfing the net I came across this which I think give a picture of my concerns although I know at the ratio in a mix is far lower than anything they are taking its still a high concentration of ethanol being taken to your lungs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1454661/Alcohol-vaporiser-to-be-investigated.html

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2012, 01:25:35 PM »
However when surfing the net I came across this which I think give a picture of my concerns although I know at the ratio in a mix is far lower than anything they are taking its still a high concentration of ethanol being taken to your lungs.

But that was exactly my point....it's NOT a high concentration, it's less than 1% of my mixes and as a fairly heavy vaper, I get through about 5ml of juice a day, so my total absorbed is less than .05ml alcohol per day, you'd probably absorb more smelling a good brandy in a snifter. But, as I also said, it's up to us all, as adults, to make our own decisions.

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2012, 02:08:01 PM »
I totally agree Stevie it was just something I came across and thought I should share it so we can all make decisions  :)

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2012, 03:43:23 PM »
If using alcohol and are truly concerned about the health risk of plastics being involved then eliminate them. Get one of the metal carto's on the totally wicked website and always use those amber glass dropper bottles to store your mix in. you can't lose. The only worry after that is are you totally sure vaping alcohol is not a health risk? I leave the answer to you.

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2012, 03:46:27 PM »
Thanks to all for your contribution and help. After reading everyone's contributions am still back to square one, if not more confused.  ???

Oh well I guess I just have to really think about it and see if it is worth the risk after all.

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2012, 09:31:24 PM »
Mackmm the two ways to increase throat hit traditionally are to use a stronger PG mix 80% to 20% VG or increase nic used but obviously the latter would only be possible if you were using a strong nic liquid before. Also some attys work better than others at producing a throat hit. as long as its not a variable voltage device your using Low resistance attys would maybe be an option as they burn hotter hence more throat hit. But some people find these too harsh

Nunanimo its absolutely not a concern for me as i dont use vodka in mixes anyway but i just thought its worth putting the info out there for people to make up their own minds. Sharing is good and we are all adults so what ever you want to do im certainly not the one to say you shouldnt do anything.   :D

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2012, 11:01:46 PM »
Mackmm the two ways to increase throat hit traditionally are to use a stronger PG mix 80% to 20% VG or increase nic used but obviously the latter would only be possible if you were using a strong nic liquid before. Also some attys work better than others at producing a throat hit. as long as its not a variable voltage device your using Low resistance attys would maybe be an option as they burn hotter hence more throat hit. But some people find these too harsh

Nunanimo its absolutely not a concern for me as i dont use vodka in mixes anyway but i just thought its worth putting the info out there for people to make up their own minds. Sharing is good and we are all adults so what ever you want to do im certainly not the one to say you shouldnt do anything.   :D

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Totally agree with Kenneth.   I think you'll get more throat hit if you go with 100% PG (especially if you don't care about the vapor)!   I vape 100% PG (mentol and apple mix) at about 14% nicotine.    I tried the LR attys, and you definitely get more throat hit, but I think it deminishes the flavor.  I've tried the vodka and I really couldn't tell much difference (only at about 5% total).

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2012, 09:48:43 AM »
Well don't forget.  If you have tried everything else for throat hit and it didn't work.

There is always "Diablo Loco" ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2012, 10:06:55 AM »
Yikes!  I've tried just a little of the Diablo Poco for the throat hit when it's been weak in some of my mixes; and thank you, that is enough for me!

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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2012, 10:42:57 AM »
Dont forget to wear a spaceman suit to protect you when mixing with Diable Loco  :o
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Re: Vodka vaping health hazards
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2012, 03:22:47 PM »
Mega dual coil cartomisers pack a punch too, even with high VG and low nicotine mixes...just another option... 8)

 

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